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losing to a gym leader
Frenchfry:
--- Quote from: ghostman50 on July 20, 2010, 03:02:43 PM ---lol, if they are spending all of their time in the gym battling and re-battling.. no one's gonna ever notice. PLus, that isnt humiliating at all. Some may even strive for "Newfag loser" status for the lulz.
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And some people make an effort to die, it still sucks, though. And they aren't spending all their time in the gym. They have eight hours after the battle where the gym is totally useless after the gym trainers are beat.
--- Quote ---That is just like saying that a person who works and goes to school all through his/her life and becomes an entreprenuer to finally become a millionaire (the player defeating the Gym leader with little effort) is at the same level as a homeless drunk meth-head, that dropped out of highschool, that wins the lottery (the player that takes a little longer to get to his million dollar goal, but FINALLY gets it.)
Yea, they both have a million dollars, but seriously, are they really on the same level? Will they ever really be on the same level? seriously?>
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It's not like that at all. The homeless guy just got lucky in the lottery, whereas the player who took several tries to beat the gym leader EARNED the win. Imagine someone who became a millionare at age twenty, as opposed to one that became a millionare at age twenty-seven. They're both millionares, but it took the second guy a bit longer. They're still on the same level.
--- Quote ---Never mentioned the farming of exp. Only poke's
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You did, actually. Even in that post.
--- Quote ---...If they are exploiting the system by power leveling...
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--- Quote ---Not a member of team rocket, but a member of the pokemon league commision (PLC).
Example to help you all understand mi pointo, Try teaching the piano to a 30 year old guy wiht no sense of rhythm, timing, or talent whatsoever. Everyday, coming in just as bad as he was the day before. Are you going to quit tutoring him because he's bad? NO. because he's paying your bills. Why stop?
Will you continue to charge him (or charge him even more) even though he'll never get better? Probably.
Continuing to charge this guy, that is the toll for wasting time and effort.
Same concept for gym leaders.
WHich is, as said before, fairly reasonable.
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Are we touching up on your personal life here? :D
And no, it isn't fairly reasonable. The piano teacher is charging money. He's not taking your pets as payment.
...and Three in a party means that you have three more slots for fillers, to prevent you from losing anything you care about.
ghostman50:
--- Quote from: Frenchfry545 on July 20, 2010, 04:43:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: ghostman50 on July 20, 2010, 03:02:43 PM ---lol, if they are spending all of their time in the gym battling and re-battling.. no one's gonna ever notice. PLus, that isnt humiliating at all. Some may even strive for "Newfag loser" status for the lulz.
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And some people make an effort to die, it still sucks, though. And they aren't spending all their time in the gym. They have eight hours after the battle where the gym is totally useless after the gym trainers are beat.
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That is tantamount to one's bed-time. Havent you heard of spam accounts? If i wanted to spam (via power leveling), i'd just log into it right before going to bed battle, lose.. then log in when i wake up.
*cough cough*, still being exploited. Losing a poke (and/or something valuable) would completely eliminate exploitation.
I dont think anyone can seriously argue that. (I agree, it borders the land of absurdity yet it is undoubtedly effective.)
Are you bashing this idea because it's different because as i've said many times before, it is fairly reasonable and actually presents a challenge (that no one is willing to take on) :'( .
--- Quote ---That is just like saying that a person who works and goes to school all through his/her life and becomes an entreprenuer to finally become a millionaire (the player defeating the Gym leader with little effort) is at the same level as a homeless drunk meth-head, that dropped out of highschool, that wins the lottery (the player that takes a little longer to get to his million dollar goal, but FINALLY gets it.)
Yea, they both have a million dollars, but seriously, are they really on the same level? Will they ever really be on the same level? seriously?>
--- Quote ---It's not like that at all. The homeless guy just got lucky in the lottery, whereas the player who took several tries to beat the gym leader EARNED the win.
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You're assuming too much...
I never said the homeless guy actually tried. Only thing the homeless drunk, meth-head actually did was rely on luck (the lottery)... no effort involved. It only took him a long time for luck to kick in... not his hard work and effort.
While the entrepreneur reaches his goal with "little effort" (as stated above, not several attempts..). The Entrepreneur completed the task because he/she was prepared, well in advance (the schooling and hard work).
Again, are they really on the same level?>
--- Quote --- Imagine someone who became a millionare at age twenty, as opposed to one that became a millionare at age twenty-seven. They're both millionares, but it took the second guy a bit longer. They're still on the same level.
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What does age have to do with anything? I think that a man's effort speaks more loudly that his age/experience.
The argument could go either way.. the 20 and 27 year old's maturity, gender, financial investments, family background, criminal history, place of residency and other factors actually make your example impossible to really know what the level is and what it takes to really be on what level.
While mine is fairly simple..... homeless drunkard (Player that loses for the hell of it, or is just that bad) <<<<<<<<<<<< Hard-working individual (player that is prepared, aware of potential costs.. and is willing to take the risk) everytime.
Not even close. Never ever will be close
--- Quote ---Never mentioned the farming of exp. Only poke's
--- Quote ---You did, actually. Even in that post.
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Even in what post? No i didnt. I've said etc... but never EXP..... how and why would exp be taken away when you can simply take away a poke?
--- Quote ---...If they are exploiting the system by power leveling...
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--- Quote ---Not a member of team rocket, but a member of the pokemon league commision (PLC).
Example to help you all understand mi pointo, Try teaching the piano to a 30 year old guy wiht no sense of rhythm, timing, or talent whatsoever. Everyday, coming in just as bad as he was the day before. Are you going to quit tutoring him because he's bad? NO. because he's paying your bills. Why stop?
Will you continue to charge him (or charge him even more) even though he'll never get better? Probably.
Continuing to charge this guy, that is the toll for wasting time and effort.
Same concept for gym leaders.
WHich is, as said before, fairly reasonable.
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Are we touching up on your personal life here? :D
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Just a little.
--- Quote ---And no, it isn't fairly reasonable. The piano teacher is charging money. He's not taking your pets as payment.
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Same concept here... instead of losing money, you'd lose a poke' (the toll). Anyone's that ever played a Pokemon handheld know how insignificant money is... and anyone's that ever played a pokemon handheld knows how valuable pokemon are.
Which is a fairly reasonable trade-off.
*cough cough*
Dont want to lose a poke' dont lose.
--- Quote ---...and Three in a party means that you have three more slots for fillers, to prevent you from losing anything you care about.
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Alright, if you'd lose a pokemon.. whether you care about it or not, why the lack of acceptance?
LeoReborn:
Im getting Sick of the BS. All the fighting is getting out of hand, Its pointless, SO STOP.
Bottom Line: Ghost has his Ideas, we have ours, thats life, suck it up.
Your wasting your time fighting an argument no one is going to win. Forget it.
Jerry:
Hm... what about... your pokemon losing confidence in you?
Then, re-introduce the system of 'XXX disobeyed orders'
Of course, this should be extremely gradual.
Like for example, you get 1 badge. The confidence level of your pokemon are raised from... say 10 to 30. You lose your first match against the second gym leader. Nothing happens to their confidence. Lose a second time, say, it decreases to 28. Then, successively to 25, 21, 15, 10, etc. Once it gets negative, well, the disobeying starts.
Now, other scenario, winning after the first lost, resets the confidence level, and adds the amount of points it should. If 20 more should be added, then the total would be 30 + 20 = 50, as if you never lost. But then, on your first lost, you already lost money, and if things are really expensive in PU, losing that money won't be considered lightly.
Just an idea...
LeoReborn:
Thats better.
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