Pokémon Universe > Ideas & Suggestions
PvP battles, please make them fun....
Gammal:
I dont think there should be ANY items appart from hold ones in pvp.
If someone is using a curse lax, cursing, cursing, cursing, down to very low hp, you can kill it since you are faster... But wait.. FULL RESTORE! GREAT! GG... NOT FUN
Kuhns:
--- Quote ---There aren't only potions in the games! There is the item 'revive'. Say a pokemon gets OHKOed by an attack, a revive would quickly get that pokemon on its feet, while the PP of the attacker will be decreasing. This also means that in a particular battle, one player might be fighting against 12 pokemon (6 revived) instead of 6.
The chances of success or failure of using an item isn't bad, but it will put the weaker trainer on more of a disadvantage. That doesn't sound that fair to me... I think it's the stronger trainer who should have a handicap I know, now that's unfair because he has more experience, but this handicap should be agreed by both trainers before battling), to make it more fair to both trainers.
--- End quote ---
My post explained that no matter what item the trainer uses, there'll be some kind of percent chance that it will fail. If a low leveled trainer decides to use a Revive on their next turn, it might fail, wasting that turn and letting the opponent attack the active Pokemon. It goes for any player item in battle.
Besides, if a weaker trainer goes knowingly into a battle with a higher leveled trainer, then is it no fault but their own. That higher leveled trainer might not even have a high item stat either. I also explained that even if the trainer is high leveled and they have a high item stat, the chances of them using any kind of item (including Revive, Full Restore, Max Potion, Whatever) again and again with success will go down.
Mr_Dark:
In the end (PvP) battles will be as fun as you make them ;)
Gammal:
--- Quote from: Mr_Dark on February 06, 2010, 10:22:00 PM ---In the end (PvP) battles will be as fun as you make them ;)
--- End quote ---
I do not agree.
With the possibility of setting up a baton-pass chain and also being able to HEAL the Pokemon with items does not sound fun to me at all.
Also the use of items will remove allot of strategies to the game itself.
What is the meta game going to be like in PU if we allow items?
A team of 6tanks...
Stall wars
Baton pass chains
A lot of careless stats boosting that will be hard to stop.
Chains are and SHOULD be tricky to set up.
Easy chain (from the top of my head)
Note: the * would be how it would work with items
Ninjask - Sub, protect untill at max speed * sword dance since you are getting to full HP atleast once.
6+speed and +2attack (you could prolly get more but lets keep it at that)
Baton pass ->
Venusaur - +6speed sleep powder, ingrain on the swap (I realize that venusaur doesnt learn baton pass, but this is just an example, you get the point. If someone feel like complaining about this and not looking at the big picture I will just move a grass pokemon to the last slot on the chain and then have it use ingrain)
(the pokemon cannot be phazed by roar etc)
Baton pass ->
Vaporeon - Aqua ring, wish, Acid armour, * sub full restore
Sub does NOT break by even 2attacks
Baton Pass ->
Scizor - Swords dance x3 + Just heal here if he takes dmg
Baton Pass ->
Rhyperion: Ingrain heal, Aqua ring heal. 6+attack, 6+speed 6+Armour GG
I could make the chain 6pokemon long but at this point there is really no need for that.
Ok you might argue that you can use Haze to remove the +stats
Yes indeed you can, but you are then once again limiting the amount of Pokemon allowed into the meta game.
I bet we would see allot of Weezing´s running around.
So yes, every player has the same option, but is that really what you guys are after?
making stat boosting moves even more powerful?
The big DOWNSIDE to the moves in the current games is that while you boost your stat, you opponent gets a "free" turn without any damage from the set-up Pokemon, hence you can counter it if you play smart.
But with allowing potions that downside will no longer exist.
If your buffed sweeper takes damage since you used stats boost instead of attack, you can just heal it.
Please explain to me how this would make the battling (pvp) process of the game more fun.
It sounds to me like people like this idea because they cant handle the switching part of the match, which is a big part of being successful in Pokemon.
On that note. Say you switch in a Pokemon to take an attack you think the opponent us going to use. But instead he choses a different one and takes your Pokemon down to say 20%, "Hey I made a mistake in my switching, but who cares? FULL RESTORE."
You might argue "yeah but he took 80% hence hes going to do that much dmg to you again"
IF I keep the pokemon switched in yes, but items are not only usable on the pokemon you are currently using.
Or how about this scenario:
I use Charizard versus a grass Pokemon
Sub on the switch
Belly Drum on his attack (lets say he doesn't break sub, or is asleep)
Sallac berry activates, thats +6attack +2speed ( I think)
Now I only have 20%ish hp with my Pokemon and it can be taken down with sandstorm or simmilar.
Now what happens if we throw a full restore into the mix?
+6attack +2speed +sub 100% hp.
Or how about the effects of toxic spikes / toxic?
Get a bulky pokemon with toxic, toxic all pokemon and begin the stall
Even if both sides has unlimited Full restore to use the one using toxic will win since sooner or later all pokemon die from 1tick, further limiting the pokemon allowed into the meta game of PU
Thats the type of strategies you are encouraging in PU`?
With the permission of the moderators I would like to copy this post and make a new thread with a poll.
Edit: spelling and extra thoughts
Level5Pidgey:
Well, there are other issues with items aside from bringing money into the game, etc.
They upset game balance (You guys: "Oh no, again?")
1. They have priority over all moves. This removes strategy elements from the game (such as strategic switching) - as, why switch when you can heal your poke to take 2 more hits? This would also happen with revive, as revenge killing would be with far less consequence.
2. Some Pokemon are balanced by the fact that they do not have healing moves, and some Pokemon are actually used mainly for the healing support. Pokemon who are balanced as they can't heal themselves (such as Swampert) would get far stronger.
3. The defensive metagame would become far stronger, and stalling would be a far tronger strategy. Think of if someone had a Blissey who got taken down to 50hp and was going to be killed on the next hit (Blissey has lower speed, so at this point, you'd switch her out or go for a revenge kill). Screw that though, Potions have highest priority - she can be back to good health in no time.
No suggestions currently in this thread remedy these issues.
EDIT: Also exactly what the guy above me said.
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