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Re: Cheap Pokemon
« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2011, 08:53:12 AM »
WARNING: following post includes request pertaining to the creation of Pokemon Universe!

Here's something frustrating (sometimes, at others it's a game winner) to point out: the "super effective" mechanic, that doubles damage no matter how strong or weak a Pokemon is.  This feels cheap when my Scizor receives a flare blitz from the opposing Vocarona.

 While I was collecting the Pokemon cards, I noticed that the "super effective" damage modifier varied.  If it was a weak Pokemon, the penalty was less than normal.  Powerful Pokemon had harsher treatment to a "super effective" attack.  This makes sense when you think about balance. 

Imagine a Krookodile versus a Wormadam (plant cloak version).  The two are obviously not a even mach in overall power, so normally the Krookodile would wipe the floor with its under powered opponent.  BUT!.... if Krookodile took "super effective" hits at 2.5 times the norm, while Wormadam's "super effective" multiplier stood at 1.5, the bag worm Pokemon just might stand a chance... (or not, especially if the croc has already gone on a moxie boost spree)

What I am trying to say, is that the game could get a lot more balanced if how much damage a "super effective" hit dishes out would depend on the Pokemon receiving it.  Is it too late to include something like this in Pokemon Universe?

 I believe this to be worthy of a new topic, let's not start discussing it here. So please make a new thread about it. (Don't want to start an off-topic discussion)

 Hmm Cheap Pokémon... would like to say Pikachu with the "RED BUTTON" but: Ghost Pokémon.
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Re: Cheap Pokemon
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2011, 09:07:54 AM »
Cheap Pokémon..

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Re: Cheap Pokemon
« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2011, 05:32:07 PM »
speed boost blaziken
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Re: Cheap Pokemon
« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2011, 05:36:35 PM »
Noah, I feel that way with volcarona aswell.But with Firey Dance.


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Re: Cheap Pokemon
« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2011, 09:34:29 PM »
Anything faster then my Pokemon that has spore.
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Re: Cheap Pokemon
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2011, 10:32:47 PM »
I feel the same way when someone faster then my ledian uses "throw pebble" and ledian dies before it even gets hit.
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Re: Cheap Pokemon
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2011, 11:15:32 PM »
I have a sig dedicated to my hate for Ledian. There for my point is superior.

Also, grass whistle is the same thing.
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Re: Cheap Pokemon
« Reply #52 on: December 12, 2011, 12:10:39 PM »
lol
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Re: Cheap Pokemon
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2011, 01:23:09 AM »
I love how this thread was posted in august 29th, but is still holding up. It's almost Christmas for god's sake!
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Re: Cheap Pokemon
« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2011, 07:42:57 PM »
A chep pokemon would be one who can't be beaten, and there is atleast one pokemon to take out every individual, so beyond that i see it as the trainers fault. No such thing as a cheap pokemon.(This is only what i think about it. no beef.)

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Re: Cheap Pokemon
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2011, 07:49:12 PM »
I'm agreeing with Reoen for the most part. There are still some pokemon that can be considered "cheap" just because they bend the system and don't make much of an effort to win a battle (Ledian circa last week).
                                            
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Re: Cheap Pokemon
« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2011, 02:30:48 AM »
I'm agreeing with Reoen for the most part. There are still some pokemon that can be considered "cheap" just because they bend the system and don't make much of an effort to win a battle (Ledian circa last week).

The best part is I'm having much more luck with the banded ledian then the spore one.
I feel another nerf incoming. XD
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Re: Cheap Pokemon
« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2011, 12:02:45 AM »
A chep pokemon would be one who can't be beaten, and there is atleast one pokemon to take out every individual, so beyond that i see it as the trainers fault. No such thing as a cheap pokemon.(This is only what i think about it. no beef.)

Your right in a way, but many pokemon bend the rules of what you said. Think of when you were younger and played pokemon (l don't know, maybe 6-10). You would have no way of knowing specific move combos, STABS, critical chances, etc. When you played when you were younger, all you would have known was type combos. You probably would have thought if a pokemon looked cooler than another, it was the best choice ( at least that's what I thought). For many people, they have experiences of cheap and annoying pokemon battles before they knew about the proper strategies.
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