Balanced or unbalanced?

[Chad29]

I guess that's a no then. Tons of resistances with no dependable recovery just seems a waste.

[Miss Wednesday]

Well use leftovers, dang, Chad, quit complaining about every water type, maybe you should change types, oh wait, then those other types might not be OP enough for you! D:

[Chad29]

I don't mean to be Mr Complainy. I just have ideas that make sense to me, and would like to see them in the game.

[Roloc]

I think when the nerf to shell smash comes into effect, Cloyster should get the move Waterfall.
Razor Shell is okay but the miss chance is annoying and hurts quite a bit sometimes. Waterfall give a nice option for people to choose.

Thoughts?

[Aquashin]

Sounds good, and Waterfall as a 20% Flinch Chance, which may get good results.

[The-Blades-slave]

Well, I agree. I may be a bit biased, being a user of Cloyster, but I think he needs Waterfall. Razor shell is good, and I love the chance for a defense drop, but it misses too damn much. And, the majority of people use an SS Cloyster (I'm not one of them ), so I think they will at least need a move that gives him decent power without the boost.

[zylonnick]

Porygon-Z might be a tad OP, he did about 60% to both my tentacruel and Quagsire ( fully special Def EV'd). That and the chance on a status with his high BP STAB are ridiculous altogether.

[Roloc]

Was that with tri attack or hyper beam? cause meowths carries both since I told him to do so. Hyper beam is 300BP and will do a ton of damage, even if resisted. but then there is the trade off, recharge time. XD

[zylonnick]

That was with tri-attack...

[Desbear]

Uh ponge, you do know that quag's not a special wall, right? at best with full special defense EV's, he's got a whopping 249. thats hardly a wall, and you hadn't used a stat boosting move either.

[Roloc]

Hmm, are they also max HP ev'd?

Cause I must say, I have fought meowth quite a few times over the past few days and haven't had a problem with Porygon-z, I mean yeah it hits hard but it dies pretty easily.

Could just be that a wall isn't the best thing to bring in on a pokemon like that.

BUT

if they are also max HP ev'd then yeah I think a small nerf could be in order.

[zylonnick]

Hmm, are they also max HP ev'd?

Cause I must say, I have fought meowth quite a few times over the past few days and haven't had a problem with Porygon-z, I mean yeah it hits hard but it dies pretty easily.

Could just be that a wall isn't the best thing to bring in on a pokemon like that.

BUT

if they are also max HP ev'd then yeah I think a small nerf could be in order.

Max HP, max SpD, +SpD nature

Edit: Tentacruel was 51%, Quag 65.

[Roloc]

As I said on PO, with them being max sdef and max hp evs, it is possible it could need a slight nerf. I'd have to do more testing before I give my vote, cause I was fighting meowth with random teams the other day and It never gave me a problem. even beat it with a flying team that Blades sent me to make some changes too

[Ursaring]

Do you think volcarona could get considered for some buffs? It was not even that op before the nerfs since all it took to kill it was any rock move. Rock is one of the most common attacking types in Pokémon and ever team has at least one rock move on it , normally more. Volcarona is also not that strong defensively and easy to kill before it sets up even without a rock move.

TL:DR losing 35 spa.att is insane and its not like volcarona is even hard to counter before it sets up or after it sets up. Not hard to revenge kill either.

[lawrencecatherine]

Are you trying to build a Pokemon team but are unsure about what your team's weaknesses are?