Pokémon Universe > Ideas & Suggestions
Evolutionary Elixir
Darkstar64:
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--- Quote from: Darkstar64 on September 25, 2012, 12:08:33 AM ---Alright, now I'M the only one with a negative outlook on this...
I still think the idea is somewhat unfair. The whole idea of evolution is that you can either evolve and become more powerful, or not evolve and stay 'cute', and you have to choose between the two. It doesn't seem fair to have the ability to have both.
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There are plenty of pokemon that are still cute when fully evolved so I don't see where you have to choose power over cuteness. Gardevoir and Milotic just to name two right off the top of my head.
The idea is for people to be able to use their favorite pokemon without being hindered greatly for it. Since the balance team is only going to balance fully evolved pokemon this adds even more leniency to people being able to use their favorites.
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--- Quote from: Ursaring on September 25, 2012, 01:17:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: Darkstar64 on September 25, 2012, 12:08:33 AM ---Alright, now I'M the only one with a negative outlook on this...
I still think the idea is somewhat unfair. The whole idea of evolution is that you can either evolve and become more powerful, or not evolve and stay 'cute', and you have to choose between the two. It doesn't seem fair to have the ability to have both.
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Unfair? To who might I ask? Why should someone have to choose between having a powerful pokemon ,or being useless but "cute". If someone wants to use butterfree dressed up as caterpie then why not? Oh yes the caterpie might consider it unfair we don't want that :'(
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I understand your point, but evolution is a choice of power or looks. When your pokemon evolves, your tradeoff is it's current look for a new look and higher stats. Here's an example. Let's say I have a Lillipup that's about to evolve. I don't really like how Herdier looks, but it has higher stats which will make my adventure easier. So I have to choose, do I keep Lillipup looking adorable, or do I suck it up and let him evolve? If I have this item, it lets me do both, but that eliminates the choice that goes along with evolution. If I can just make it cute again, why even bother not letting it evolve? If you're allowed to keep your pokemon looking like your favorite forever while still getting stat boosts, then what's the tradeoff?
Another point to bring up is, how does this account for pokemon who change their looks mid-battle? Two examples being Darmanitan and Cherrim. Darmanitan (or at least, a certain kind) changes into Zen mode when it's HP gets below 50%. But if it looks like a Darumakka, then how does it's appearance change? Does it still look like Darumakka or does it change to Darmanitan's Zen mode? And in the case of Cherrim, if it looks like a Cherubi, and it (or another pokemon) uses Sunny Day, does it still look like Cherubi or does it change to Cherrim's Sunshine form?
Ursaring:
Why must it be a trade-off at all? Evolution isen't really a choice if your gonna be doing any serous battling ,so if anything is unfair its the guy who loves caterpie. Why can't he use caterpie? Also this is a game trade-offs are not needed.
Roloc:
--- Quote from: Darkstar64 on September 25, 2012, 02:49:22 AM ---I understand your point, but evolution is a choice of power or looks. When your pokemon evolves, your tradeoff is it's current look for a new look and higher stats. Here's an example. Let's say I have a Lillipup that's about to evolve. I don't really like how Herdier looks, but it has higher stats which will make my adventure easier. So I have to choose, do I keep Lillipup looking adorable, or do I suck it up and let him evolve? If I have this item, it lets me do both, but that eliminates the choice that goes along with evolution. If I can just make it cute again, why even bother not letting it evolve? If you're allowed to keep your pokemon looking like your favorite forever while still getting stat boosts, then what's the tradeoff?
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This seems more like an opinion that you give up cuteness for power.
This was already explained in my last post:
--- Quote from: Roloc on September 25, 2012, 01:14:25 AM ---There are plenty of pokemon that are still cute when fully evolved so I don't see where you have to choose power over cuteness. Gardevoir and Milotic just to name two right off the top of my head.
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--- Quote from: Darkstar64 on September 25, 2012, 02:49:22 AM ---Another point to bring up is, how does this account for pokemon who change their looks mid-battle? Two examples being Darmanitan and Cherrim. Darmanitan (or at least, a certain kind) changes into Zen mode when it's HP gets below 50%. But if it looks like a Darumakka, then how does it's appearance change? Does it still look like Darumakka or does it change to Darmanitan's Zen mode? And in the case of Cherrim, if it looks like a Cherubi, and it (or another pokemon) uses Sunny Day, does it still look like Cherubi or does it change to Cherrim's Sunshine form?
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It's simple. Darmanitan under the effects of the Elixir would still turn into it's Zen Mode form because this is relative to how Darmanitan is used in battle. Cherrim on the other hand would not change as it doesn't do anything. So if someone would want to the see the alternate form of Cherrim then they wouldn't use the Elixer on it.
Darkstar64:
--- Quote from: Roloc on September 25, 2012, 03:09:17 AM ---
--- Quote from: Darkstar64 on September 25, 2012, 02:49:22 AM ---I understand your point, but evolution is a choice of power or looks. When your pokemon evolves, your tradeoff is it's current look for a new look and higher stats. Here's an example. Let's say I have a Lillipup that's about to evolve. I don't really like how Herdier looks, but it has higher stats which will make my adventure easier. So I have to choose, do I keep Lillipup looking adorable, or do I suck it up and let him evolve? If I have this item, it lets me do both, but that eliminates the choice that goes along with evolution. If I can just make it cute again, why even bother not letting it evolve? If you're allowed to keep your pokemon looking like your favorite forever while still getting stat boosts, then what's the tradeoff?
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This seems more like an opinion that you give up cuteness for power.
This was already explained in my last post:
--- Quote from: Roloc on September 25, 2012, 01:14:25 AM ---There are plenty of pokemon that are still cute when fully evolved so I don't see where you have to choose power over cuteness. Gardevoir and Milotic just to name two right off the top of my head.
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Sure, there are some of pokemon that evolve and don't turn out 'ugly' or 'not as cute'. But that doesn't apply to all pokemon, and those pokemon are what I'm talking about. If there's a pokemon you really like, but you don't like how it's evolution looks, then your decision is whether or not you want to keep your favorite pokemon, or have it evolve so it has better stats. Again, your tradeoff in evolution is it's current look and current stats for a different look and higher stats. Whether or not you like its new look is part of dictating whether or not you want it to evolve. I guess a good expression to use is 'You can't have your cake and eat it too'.
Roloc:
Well seeing as there are plenty of other pokemon that don't give up cuteness for power, it seems kinda lame the the others do.
But this is all opinion stuff. I'd rather get feedback on important things like:
Ways this might break game play
How it could be miss used against other players
How it could be abused in PvP combat
Thanks.
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