Pokemon Universe MMORPG
Pokémon Universe => Ideas & Suggestions => Topic started by: hadeschainz on May 31, 2010, 11:26:28 PM
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I think it would be a good idea not to implement any type of "item mall" system. As in a system that would allow players to use real life currency to buy items, experience, or something else in game. This would give people who can afford these things an advantage over other players.
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How is an item mail system imbalanced?? Sure you could send an item to a newbee friend, but wouldn't you be able to trade with him anyway?? The solution should be that high level items only can be used by high level trainers.
But if this wasn't what you meant please rephrase :)
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No, no no no. I meant item MALL, as in being able to buy items or other things in the game with real money. Sorry, should have went a little more in depth with that thought. ;D
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oh lol my mistake xD
But I still don't see the imbalance issue.. I mean people who play more (hence more wealthy) naturally should have an advantage imo. That's how the real world works after all, those who work have more money.
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oh lol my mistake xD
But I still don't see the imbalance issue.. I mean people who play more (hence more wealthy) naturally should have an advantage imo. That's how the real world works after all, those who work have more money.
I'm still not sure you understand what I'm saying. I mean that if you can buy in-game items with real-world money, then people who have the money to buy these things have an advantage over people who do not.
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yeah I kinda realized that after I wrote my comment, and yet... I don't see a problem with that either xD
Donors should get benefits imo. And if it helps the developers keeping their servers running, then what's wrong with that?
I apologize but I think I'm slowly zoning in to what your thread is really about now right ??! :D
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I don't know to be honest. I mean it would help the developers but at the same time, I would prefer a fee to play the game than to buy items or whatever with real money.
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I sort of agree that it makes some 'unfairness' between the players, but it was made clear that some features will be available through real money.
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Pu can't have an item mall, wanna know why? because that would mean that the team is making money off the game, so therefore nintendo, gamefreak would shut us down
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Pu can't have an item mall, wanna know why? because that would mean that the team is making money off the game, so therefore nintendo, gamefreak would shut us down
But donations are allowed? What stops people from getting in game advantages for donations? Seems like a bit of a grey area to me.
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Not really as grey as you would think. Donating, of your own free will and without reward, is fairly standard. If we start offering things in exchange for these donations, we have done the equivalent of an equal trade. Which, by all means and standards, is us selling a product.
It may be slightly grey, but it would definitely be clear cut enough for an action to be taken.
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Item mall is especially unfair to younger players like me (13), aftee all, there's not much poke-loveing kids, that walk around with pay-pal accounts :P I would really hate to bug my parents for every bit... :-X
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In some ways I do agree that an Item Mall is just overkill. However, that solely depends on what is being sold.
If anyone's ever played S4 league, I'm pretty sure you can see that those greedy bums have honestly crossed the line. Plus weapons that can instant kill? Stack-able items? I mean really?
Any-who, that's beside the point. As long as Pokemon aren't being sold, or a player having the ability to bring more Pokemon into battle, then I see no problem in it.
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No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. NO. No item mall.
Aside from the fact that pokemon is legally owned by a big company that probably loves filing copyright infringement lawsuits, there are a number of problems with an item mall.
1) Seeing as the MMO is gonna be as close to the games as possible, that means that we're going to be dealing with the same items, pokemon, etc. Nothing in the origonal game was so amazing that PU would really have any right - even if it was legal - to charge us money for it.
2) Amlost invariably, the moment an item mall is released by a small business, that small business instantly becomes greedy, and goes overkill on the item mall. I don't even PLAY runescape, and I know that they're progressively restricting more and more of the the game to the people that bought a membership.
3) And, of course, we have the lack of maturity of the internets. Assuming an item mall is implemented and all the sudden only members can get third stage evolutions. Now about ninety percent of the game's population is running about with charmeleons instead of charizards. now the most popular phrase among upgraded players is "(insert 2nd stage evolution here) n00b". Sure, you can ignore them, but it would be really annoying if you couldn't go through the game without one in every ten players antagonizing you for not being upgraded.
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in case none of you have read anything of the website(which if you did this post wouldn't even exist), this game is not excepting ANY MONEY for themselves or for profit, this site is only collecting enough donations every month to only keep the servers running so we all can play the game. The PU team is working and doing this for free. Therefore there will not be a so call "item mall"
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But you missed that there will be some 'features' that are available through buying with real money... as another pillar for the cost of hosting the site I suppose... :-\
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You can do it like sven-co op.
If you give:
Any amount: you can make your name into a different color (something simple to show that this person donated
5dollars: You get this awesome, reusable, pokeball thing (You know the thing you attach to your pokeball so when you send them out it pops out with smoke and prettyness)
10 dollars: You get an epic jacket or cape or something.
And from then on there's nothing. perhaps a star for every 10 next to their Trainer ID, to indicate how much of a donater this person is.
This way you're not giving them much, just kind of showing "This person donated"
Then again that might be too much too. Perhaps any form of "giving" may become illegal.
I agree with FrenchFry too.
Any form of mall is bad. Even if you go for a "maplestory" format to where all you can get is cloathing.
Then you have all these standards, and this guy is blaring looking as epic as gary in a "holy poop this guy is too epic for my epic goggles i'mma goin blind" fashion.
Those people grow to obtain an E-Penis, and become complete assholes.
You also just feel bad standing next to them, even if you aren't being demeaned by them.
I mean that's how real life works. If you have this person who's standing next to you who's Hot/Handsome with this Epic body and great outfit you're going to feel....well meager.
I would rather not succumb players to almost "needing" something. That's kind of why i like the "jacket, name plate, and pokeball flash thing."
It's nothing too flashy, it's nothing huge, it's just a:
"Oh cool he donated" kind of feel. I mean when I stand next to a guy with an electric crowbar in sven co-op with double golden uzi's I don't feel any less of a player. Why? Because it's so simple.
That's the only way I could see donating being ok, though, but as I stated before I don't know if even that is "illegal"
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Not really as grey as you would think. Donating, of your own free will and without reward, is fairly standard. If we start offering things in exchange for these donations, we have done the equivalent of an equal trade. Which, by all means and standards, is us selling a product.
It may be slightly grey, but it would definitely be clear cut enough for an action to be taken.
^^That.
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Not really as grey as you would think. Donating, of your own free will and without reward, is fairly standard. If we start offering things in exchange for these donations, we have done the equivalent of an equal trade. Which, by all means and standards, is us selling a product.
It may be slightly grey, but it would definitely be clear cut enough for an action to be taken.
^^That.
Yeah that's what I was basing my "it might still be illegal" situation on.
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I'm very much with the idea of just showing people, that you donated, but not acually getting any advantages. Oh, and seals (the sparkly pokeball things) should be avalible to everyone, just those, wo donated could get maybe more advanced or diffrent ones.
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I'm very much with the idea of just showing people, that you donated, but not acually getting any advantages. Oh, and seals (the sparkly pokeball things) should be avalible to everyone, just those, wo donated could get maybe more advanced or diffrent ones.
Well I kind of meant it in that way. A special one that a person who donates would get.
Then again that still leads to the slight thought of "trade" which might be illegal.
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We can't have an item mall to buy poke-outfits or advantages with real money; we got that covered.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but about donations.
Donating is us helping out and supporting PU
Donating is gifting or contributing so we shouldn't and must not get anything in return.
There is no "too much" or "too little", I think if PU returns anything other than text and thank yous, it is considered a trade. In other words, I don't think people in game should be able to see that they donated.
Donations is about gifting, contributing and helping out. People donate to support.
PU cannot make people want to donate to receive anything in return, otherwise it's trading or buying.
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We can't have an item mall to buy poke-outfits or advantages with real money; we got that covered.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but about donations.
Donating is us helping out and supporting PU
Donating is gifting or contributing so we shouldn't and must not get anything in return.
There is no "too much" or "too little", I think if PU returns anything other than text and thank yous, it is considered a trade. In other words, I don't think people in game should be able to see that they donated.
Donations is about gifting, contributing and helping out. People donate to support.
PU cannot make people want to donate to receive anything in return, otherwise it's trading or buying.
Chh... There is, apparently, one thing that's allowed. In 'da forums', contributors get purple nametags. Apparently changing the color of their nametag is the little leeway that's allowed. A-but I'm no lawyer.
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Every MMO I've played has stuff you can buy with real money. This does cause an imbalance, but it also helps pay for the game. As long as it doesn't keep you from fully playing the game, I'm all right with it.
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Not really as grey as you would think. Donating, of your own free will and without reward, is fairly standard. If we start offering things in exchange for these donations, we have done the equivalent of an equal trade. Which, by all means and standards, is us selling a product.
It may be slightly grey, but it would definitely be clear cut enough for an action to be taken.
Okay, Read this again..
See the Bold?
1st one: No profit is gained, The only place the money goes, is toward the game, not The PU Team, not ourselves
2nd one: Once Players get benefits, from either paying, Donating, etc. Nintendo/Game Freak will pull the plug via Lawsuit, and it would end as a waste.
The only thing PU's Money is for, it comes out as the game, THats All.
Seriously, stop, Im not going to repeat myself.
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Ok, I'm really not sure whether this will make you happy but... until the game is released, I'm finding two sorts of... contradictions. On one side, the 'no payable features' with real money, on the other side, there will be 'payable features' with real money. However, it was said that the features won't be 'crucial in the game.
http://pokemon-universe.com/index.php/topic,184.msg6826.html#msg6826
Okay, if this post is in anyway 'bad', feel free to delete it.
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Ok, I'm really not sure whether this will make you happy but... until the game is released, I'm finding two sorts of... contradictions. On one side, the 'no payable features' with real money, on the other side, there will be 'payable features' with real money. However, it was said that the features won't be 'crucial in the game.
http://pokemon-universe.com/index.php/topic,184.msg6826.html#msg6826
Okay, if this post is in anyway 'bad', feel free to delete it.
...Well how the twinkie does that work out?
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Ok, I'm really not sure whether this will make you happy but... until the game is released, I'm finding two sorts of... contradictions. On one side, the 'no payable features' with real money, on the other side, there will be 'payable features' with real money. However, it was said that the features won't be 'crucial in the game.
http://pokemon-universe.com/index.php/topic,184.msg6826.html#msg6826 (http://pokemon-universe.com/index.php/topic,184.msg6826.html#msg6826)
Okay, if this post is in anyway 'bad', feel free to delete it.
Fret not. Even if there are payable features in the game, there is always the balance team. So there's nothing really to worry about.
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Ok, I'm really not sure whether this will make you happy but... until the game is released, I'm finding two sorts of... contradictions. On one side, the 'no payable features' with real money, on the other side, there will be 'payable features' with real money. However, it was said that the features won't be 'crucial in the game.
http://pokemon-universe.com/index.php/topic,184.msg6826.html#msg6826
Okay, if this post is in anyway 'bad', feel free to delete it.
...Well how the twinkie does that work out?
That's what I'm trying to figure out...
Fret not. Even if there are payable features in the game, there is always the balance team. So there's nothing really to worry about.
I'm not really worried about it. I'm just trying to know which part of it is true. I found two different answers from the Team (though Raikt's answer was after the one of Kam's) and was trying to 'answer' the question as to whether payable features will be available or not.
I don't really care whether the people able to pay will get huge bonuses or not, it's just the question of 'will it be implemented or not'. But for the time being, I think that there will be payable features.
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Maybe having rewards from real currency that doesnt effect a battle or something
maybe have rewards like clothes for you avatar or something that you can display without effecting battles
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Not really as grey as you would think. Donating, of your own free will and without reward, is fairly standard. If we start offering things in exchange for these donations, we have done the equivalent of an equal trade. Which, by all means and standards, is us selling a product.
It may be slightly grey, but it would definitely be clear cut enough for an action to be taken.
Okay, Read this again..
See the Bold?
1st one: No profit is gained, The only place the money goes, is toward the game, not The PU Team, not ourselves
2nd one: Once Players get benefits, from either paying, Donating, etc. Nintendo/Game Freak will pull the plug via Lawsuit, and it would end as a waste.
The only thing PU's Money is for, it comes out as the game, THats All.
Seriously, stop, Im not going to repeat myself.
This Doesnt make Any Sense AT ALL!!!! *Rips Hair out*
Someone on the PU Team needs to get on this Thread, and Someone Needs to make sense........ Im not mentioning any Names...*cough*Kamaran*cough*
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Not sure what the big fuss is about. The PU team has already made it clear that any profits will go to server costs, not into their pockets. So, any potential payable option will be (*gasp* an option) at the descretion of the purchaser. Think about it, it will be nearly impossible to keep up with server costs and other costs that go into the game with thousands of 12 years olds or broke college students with no means of income, that has absolutely no intention of donating of their own free will.
It would be ideal to think that every member of Pokemon Universe (16k+) would find 5 freaking dollars to donate to the project, but that's never going to happen...
so if the PU team decides to sell a few things or make a few extra features available to those that are actually contributing (monetarily) to keep the game going, why not just accept it? It's nothing to cry over.
As stated before, there is a balance team... so there wont be stats boosting to make mi metapod an Uber.
And though the game is free for everyone, it's stupid naive to think that the PU team will continue to use their own money to finance this game through it's entirety. It may just have to come down to offering incentives to earn that extra month... and as said before, the game's free, afterall.
Im all for an item mall. It'll add another layer of depth as well.
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It would be ideal to think that every member of Pokemon Universe (16k+) would find 5 freaking dollars to donate to the project, but that's never going to happen...
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It may seem remarkably easy for you to donate, ghost, because unlike most people that play pokemon games, you have access to a credit card and paypal.
Now, imagine for a moment that you're in the position of a father of two children in a family that goes about their middle-class life with about the standard financial problems in the U.S. Your 8-16 year old son/daughter/transfestite walks into the room and says, "Dad, I need to use your credit card to buy a pokemon bounty hunter badge on an internet pokemon game made by people on a different continent for free!"
For most of us, it's not that we're selfish, or stingy, or whatever you might be thinking, it's just that we are, as hard as it may be for you to comprehend, incapable of getting ANY form of money to the PU team. If I had any method of transaction, I would gladly donate $50+ out of my unemployed wallet. Unfortunately, the only thing I could do is buy a plane ticket to wherever Mr_Dark lives and hand him the money in person. And as much as I love all of you, I'm just not going to do that to donate what the rest of the world sees as pocket change.
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Not really as grey as you would think. Donating, of your own free will and without reward, is fairly standard. If we start offering things in exchange for these donations, we have done the equivalent of an equal trade. Which, by all means and standards, is us selling a product.
It may be slightly grey, but it would definitely be clear cut enough for an action to be taken.
Okay, Read this again..
See the Bold?
1st one: No profit is gained, The only place the money goes, is toward the game, not The PU Team, not ourselves
2nd one: Once Players get benefits, from either paying, Donating, etc. Nintendo/Game Freak will pull the plug via Lawsuit, and it would end as a waste.
The only thing PU's Money is for, it comes out as the game, THats All.
Seriously, stop, Im not going to repeat myself.
This Doesnt make Any Sense AT ALL!!!! *Rips Hair out*
Someone on the PU Team needs to get on this Thread, and Someone Needs to make sense........ Im not mentioning any Names...*cough*Kamaran*cough*
Its not that We dont like the Idea of an Item Mall. Its just That:
The Whole Thread is a Grey area, because once money is exchanged for benefits, whether Items, Bonuses, etc. It Gives Gamefreak/Nintendo an Excuse (a poor at that) To shut this down. We agreed earlier, Item mall = No, Read the first few pages, and you might see what I mean.
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We can't have an item mall to buy poke-outfits or advantages with real money; we got that covered.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but about donations.
Donating is us helping out and supporting PU
Donating is gifting or contributing so we shouldn't and must not get anything in return.
There is no "too much" or "too little", I think if PU returns anything other than text and thank yous, it is considered a trade. In other words, I don't think people in game should be able to see that they donated.
Donations is about gifting, contributing and helping out. People donate to support.
PU cannot make people want to donate to receive anything in return, otherwise it's trading or buying.
Chh... There is, apparently, one thing that's allowed. In 'da forums', contributors get purple nametags. Apparently changing the color of their nametag is the little leeway that's allowed. A-but I'm no lawyer.
I read EVERY post. This one sums it up entirely. Passive Points out that we Donate out of generosity, not for any benefit.
Frenchfry, You added That Contributors, like you, Ghostman, have a Purple Tag. This Shows purely that you donated. (Thanks a million.) No offense to You, Ghost, but try to think a little before Ranting...
I apologize too, I have been eerily Strict, and I promise, my Ranting is done.
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I read EVERY post. This one sums it up entirely. Passive Points out that we Donate out of generosity, not for any benefit.
Frenchfry, You added That Contributors, like you, Ghostman, have a Purple Tag. This Shows purely that you donated. (Thanks a million.) No offense to You, Ghost, but try to think a little before Ranting...
What the hell are you talking about dude? Im talking about an item mall (as per OP)... not donations... not name tags... but implementing a potential Item Mall. Which is nothing like donating. (*gasp*)
The PU team hinted at it. Im for it. That was the point of mi previous post. So... yea...
You think before posting...
And stop going after mi posts. You and frenchfry can tag team someone else and be a butthurt somewhere else. thanx.
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OP as In?
Look, I apologized before, but I will again, because I thinkRealize Ive missed your point completely.. Thank you for donating, and its like Sora and Frenchfry said, we would donate if we could, We don't have any way to get money to the team, and we have problems too. Just understand, we have as many good intentions as you do, just consider that much.
You have had many great Ideas, but there is a point made in this thread, and its caused mass confusion. We're only confused, and want this BS to end.
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And stop going after mi posts. You and frenchfry can tag team someone else and be a butthurt somewhere else. thanx.
Wtf are you talking about? tag team? Just because I disagree with you here, that means I'm going after your posts just to say that you're wrong? That's an awful lot like being paranoid.
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And stop going after mi posts. You and frenchfry can tag team someone else and be a butthurt somewhere else. thanx.
Wtf are you talking about? tag team? Just because I disagree with you here, that means I'm going after your posts just to say that you're wrong? That's an awful lot like being paranoid.
Stop! youre only making things worse saying that. Dont be so hasty Fry.
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Stop! youre only making things worse saying that. Dont be so hasty Fry.
Hasty?
And stop going after mi posts. You and frenchfry can tag team someone else
Hasty.
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And stop going after mi posts. You and frenchfry can tag team someone else and be a butthurt somewhere else. thanx.
Wtf are you talking about? tag team? Just because I disagree with you here, that means I'm going after your posts just to say that you're wrong? That's an awful lot like being paranoid.
No, it isnt paranoia; it's more like frustration. I bring up simple concepts and fairly reasonable points but you two still manage to find some way to disagree and with me and agree with each other, thus the tagging begins, manage to get threads completely off topic just for the sake of disagreeing (with absolutely no substance) and completely missing mi point everytime, initiating obvious trolling (and/or butthurting)
but whatever.
Maybe i didnt make mi point clear.. so here goes....
it is evident that relying on donations wont cover server costs and etc. because of the obvious reasons (like family, schooling, whatever), An Item Mall would be the best course of action. Because not many are going to just throw away the aforementioned 5$, that little incentive may be enough to keep the game going. Even if its 4 people that buy a 2.99$ moopdy-do, thats something that would eventually help the project.... No matter how small a purchase, it would ideally be more than what could be potentially made via donations.
The PU team has made the price of US server public, and it's nearly twice the amount of the EU server, if i remember right. Just as you, or your parents, may have trouble paying for foreign services, the PU team can claim the same thing and simply make the game available on an EU server, only.
PLus, buying an item in the item mall is a sexier notion than blindly throwing away money via donations.
that is mi point.
Even you can agree to that.
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When the game is released, there will be some in-game rewards for donations. Why? Because hosting a game like this is expensive. Around the pre-beta 2.0 time there was a small wave of donations which enabled us to buy a second server in the US for our non-European testers. However, a while after pre-beta 2.0, the donations came to a halt and we had to start putting our own money in to keep the US server up. This is why (recently) we had to drop the US server, at least until the next big event (luckily we also found ways to "mask" the lag for non-European players to make the EU server at least endurable). Me and Mr_Dark are gladly paying for the European server (as we have been doing for soon two years) because we love this project, but having to pay for more than one gameserver is simply too expensive for simple students like us. A game like this simply needs more than one server. Even two servers is far from enough if the game gets big.
I know that it could give Nintendo another reason to shut us down, but it's a risk we have to take. If we don't do it, we can't provide the high quality service we aim for and PU would blend away with all the other low-quality (Pokemon) games.
We have internally discussed this a few times already and the so-called "payable features" we came up with are only fun extras. In no way will they put the balance of the game in danger. No stat boosters, rare items, rare Pokemon or whatever.
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Ok, I understand now, Thank you for Clearing that up Urmel.
Now that Thats over, Somebody either lock this thread, or let it Die,