Pokemon Universe MMORPG
Pokémon Universe => Ideas & Suggestions => Topic started by: lubbies on January 14, 2012, 10:24:38 PM
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I was wondering that if you lose a battle and all your pokemon faint what happens? because what if your travelling with a friend and you face a trainer who beats you then you get teleported back to the center and have to go back :P
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I figure it will be the same as any MMO. You just get teleported back if no one else can revive your pokemon.
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There usually aren't that far between Pokemon Centers, so that wouldn't be a problem. Just walk back to your friend, or make him come meet you somewhere... I guess you will be teleported anyway...
I've only played a few games were you actually have a chance to get revived/ressurected in the place you fainted/died... those were MMORPGs like WoW... Though in DC Universe, nearby allies could revive you by kicking you in the face (pressing O (on PS3)) or something... not sure how it worked. MAYBE they could put some feature in that lets any nearby players help you out or something... But the best idea would be like the original games, like always... Or else it would f**k up logic to be honest
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I agree, you just get teleported back to the nearest Pokemon Center. However, there *are* some alternatives. For one, perhaps a save point item could exist? It would allow you to respawn at whatever point you set it to. Possibly a donator item or a quest reward? Or perhaps some sort of healing ability that players could get to revive one another, but it'd be a skill and if they didn't have it at 100% than it obviously wouldn't be successful every time. Wouldn't have to be a super power like in most MMOs, could just be a med kit or something.
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Could be mashed up with the job system suggestion though...
Some jobs, like Rangers and Farmers, could have the ability to heal the fainted Pokemon with their Ranger Skills or a unique type of berry :D
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i agrre with bot "Tristan" nd "TheSolx" there should be a healer job of some sort like in dcuniverse you can choose what you want to be. i think healers could lead to people forming a travel team as on the tv show which could help improve gameplay
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Or like in Wow when you always have a healer to ressurect in a dungeon :-\
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I would say, instead of a healer, do something like in D&D types of games where if you die you have the option to Respawn or Wait for Help. In our case, if all the Pokémon faint you would have an option to Respawn(basically teleport back to PC) or Wait for Help. If you choose to Wait for Help, then any Trainer that comes along can choose to Revive one of your Pokémon. Most likely players would always have a few of those on them - except for starters, but they don't need it as much - and it would be a common courtesy to give one Revive to a Trainer whose Pokémon fainted. Only one Pokémon would get Revived, so there is still a Penalty of losing or "death", but you can always use your own Revive in the end. So think of the scenario that your Pokémon feint, you should be unable to do anything on your own, other than go back to a PokémonCenter. But with outside help you could Revive one Pokémon, after which you regain control again.
If you chose to Wait for Help, and nobody comes or helps, there would be a time limit. If within that time limit you don't get help, you would get to choose again, whether you want to Respawn or Wait for Help. If you do not choose, the Default Respawn would be chosen for you.
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That would fit for me. Kinda like the PMD style of tag rescues where your team waits in a floor/base of a dungeon waiting to get rescued and in the meanwhile, the player being saved cannot do anything but wait. Though there's an option to stop waiting and choose to take the mission as a fail.
I do like the other idea of having a special item to set where to respawn. Maybe have it like a key item and you can choose only one point at a time and choosing another point will cause the previous point to be erased from the device/item (and of course, usable only outside battle).
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That would fit for me. Kinda like the PMD style of tag rescues where your team waits in a floor/base of a dungeon waiting to get rescued and in the meanwhile, the player being saved cannot do anything but wait. Though there's an option to stop waiting and choose to take the mission as a fail.
I do like the other idea of having a special item to set where to respawn. Maybe have it like a key item and you can choose only one point at a time and choosing another point will cause the previous point to be erased from the device/item (and of course, usable only outside battle).
For that respawn point: I think it should be more like a first aid kit or the like only usable in one area and even in that area, have a previously determined place, sort of like a checkpoint. You go in the area, let's say cave for now. The cave is huge so you would want to have some assurance that if your Pokémon faint, you don't have to go all the way back again. So you reach somewhere around the cave's center where an empty Medical Station is sitting. It's not really a station, more like a little Stall. So once you reach it you can decide to leave a medical kit there. If you leave a medical kit, you will be able to respawn there if your Pokémon faint inside the cave. Once you leave the cave, the Respawn resets to default (closest PC) or until you reach another Medical Station/Stall and place a medical kit in there.
So maybe have a new item called Medical Kit, which would allow you to do that. This way it would be harder to exploit the Respawn Location. So now you could only access that point if you were inside the cave/dungeon type of area. If you would get a Respawn Location that you can set anywhere you want, many people would just set it at a place that's hard to reach but with good rewards for those who do reach it and would easily exploit it.
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Hmm.. good rewards? I'm not sure what you mean by this, for the only 'good rewards' I see are from quests or items on the ground, which cannot be obtained again (unless the quest itself allows it, but that's already the purpose of the quest: to be able to give good rewards later on, anytime).
So, I would still be maintaining the 'you can place it anywhere'. Of course, now in some quests, to keep the level of difficulty, there will be exceptional areas where you won't be able to use it.
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Just to be hypothetical: imagine a scenario where there is a cave where you can get zinc oxide, a component for making Pokéball. A Trainer could just "harvest" said component go back to town a sell that. To get back to the cave, that Trainer would have to go through all the hardships again, but he was smart and placed a Respawn Point there. So now he just goes to purposefully feint his Pokémon and suddenly he is back in the cave ready for some more zinc oxide.
That's what I meant. While it might not seem too bad right now, there might come something in the future that would allow this Respawn Point to be set anywhere they want. If not then I am just over-thinking things.
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Hmm... I don't know if that would work, as he'll need to go back through the cave again and through the hardship again and fainting there will bring him again deeper and he'd be trapped there forever if he's not prepared :P
And in that case, his pokemon should be weak enough to faint but strong enough to help him out. But since it's a 'precious' item, then the cave should be difficult (for experienced trainers) and as suchhe must bring strong pokemon with him. Something I always find difficult: make my strong pokemon faint after I got far enough.
Anyway, in any case, the device could be made unusable in that particular place.
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I think these anwsers are getting too long and confusing :o
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If people want to revive their Pokemon after a loss they should either have the item revive or pay 5000 Pokedollars for each Pokemon that faints after a battle
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If people want to revive their Pokemon after a loss they should either have the item revive or pay 5000 Pokedollars for each Pokemon that faints after a battle
They should always have Revive on them since it's handy, but that would defeat the penalty. Once your Pokémon faint, you are practically "dead" so you shouldn't be able to do anything, other than run to the nearest PokéCenter, or Wait for Help.
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it sounds like you guys want checkpoints i think thats a good idea but would be annoying and more easily exploited than the so called "medical kit" if a medical kit was to be made i believe they would be an abnormally hard to get item in which you'd probably you'd get on at a time. this would disencourage over use. to work it could teleport you to the pc and give you an opportunity to gear up with a different set of pokemon from oak's cpu if u want as an addition. then instead of leaving it could be a special pc that theres no door just a teleporter in which you go to your medical kit. all set aside this would require lots of programming and i'd hate to see the game pushed farther over a want. i hope this can settle the need
p.s. reafer: people could super duper abuse that
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I guess you could borrow one of your partner's pokemon which is kinda like the battle towers? where you use pokemon which are not yours(but not so much). There could be a feature I guess where pokemon eventually recover hp provided you feed them and give them basic medical aid. I mean pokemon have to eat so it makes sense. If you're talking about paying to have your pokemon revived though, I like the idea of paying for some rangers or another to bring you safely back to the center(with the use of teleport, dig, fly pokemon) safely, so you can heal, better. Anyhoo, I'm just making stuff up. :)
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Well, I think you're over complicating things. PU isn't your normal Pokemon game, so we have to assume in terms of PvP, we'll probably be making a lot of trips to the Pokemon Center. However, as I've suggested elsewhere, healing/medical/whatever could be a skill. Every time it's used the player becomes __ amount better at performing the skill. At 100% they've perfected it and can use it freely, but unlike most games, PU doesn't have mana or magic, so I think the skill would either need a daily limit or require the purchase of a medical kit for good measure. Also, it wouldn't be easy to reach 100% of any skill.
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Now that you mention it, hehe.., I am over complicated things although I feel the ideas themselves are perfectly normal.
But I totally see the appeal of using skills for all these situations. Skills could definitely better affect the popularity of the game, imo, rather than having some more variety of solutions which would be annoying to keep track of and more so to implement.
edit: had to do thiss
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i don't speak for everyone, but i wasn't really speaking of pvp im sure that has been a main focus and is very well thought thru. im speaking of like quest, for instance, say one need to cross thru a entirely grassy area and before getting there has traveled several towns to get there and dies going back farther than desired. one could use said checkpoint if user has one instead of having to chronically walk back if said user has weak or little amount of pokemon and not all users would want to focus on healing, some may not even need it so why bother with it. plus if someone had infinite healing it could unbalance gameplay
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CelaGhost: Heh, I actually wasn't referring to your ideas when I said over complicated. You had posted just before I did, and I didn't read yours first.
lildjremix: Well I get your point, but I think it comes down to how open world PU is. It would be a serious hassle if in order to get from one town to another, you had to travel through caves, mountains, even maze-like forests. Flying may come about in some capacity but I wouldn't imagine it being too easy to obtain. Also, it has been stated that a lot of quests won't focus on battles, and if you're traveling from one town to another and you battle an NPC trainer, well, do you really expect to die? Lets be honest, if NPC combat is anything like in the games, Trainer Bob isn't exactly that dominant hehe. One last thing though, infinite healing isn't what I meant. In fact, I even described what could be done so it isn't possible. Either a daily limit on how many times you can heal, or the requirement of a rare med kit sort of item. Even then, if one attempts to heal their own team, they can only revive 1 Pokemon at best. When their skill percentage becomes rather high, they can revive another, and then at 100% they can revive at least 3 no problem. No more than that, though.
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ok i see your point lol the healing sounds like it could be a good idea if programmed probably but a medic pack checkpoint would be a nice prize for beating a league if you don't want to learn healing. either way the pu team seams to be well aware of what is wanted and is probably way ahead of both of us -_-nd sorry i thought you meant by using it freely u meant unlimited my mistake
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lol it's cool, and you're probably right. I agree with what you said about the checkpoint though too, but then again that may just mean being teleported to the nearest PokeCenter. Depending on how big the Miryus region is, it may not be that big a deal if you die and have to walk or run back to where you were. Maybe there could even be travel guides in some towns that will safely transport you to the next town over for some money.
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thats true or a ranger to guide you thru caves too who knows, maybe the spawn point ordeal could be a power of a special pokemon or (refrencing to the make legendarys legendary thread) it could be something temporarily granted such as your healing power could be too i'd be fine with that
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I was wondering that if you lose a battle and all your pokemon faint what happens?
If you lose a Pokemon battle against a NPC during exploring the world, you'll get teleported to the nearest already visited PokeCenter.
If you lose a Pokemon battle against another player during exploring the world, you'll find all of your pokemon still to be alive.